     Question: What is the final state of the wicked?

     Answer: All right, let's turn to Mark, and get Mark chapter
9, I think it is. Mark chapter 9, in one hand--and then get
Revelation chapter 22 in the other.

     Now this is going to be kind of hard, too. See? I mean, you
notice I don't preach these things. I mean, we had a service here
a little while ago, and I preached to you. Now, I'm not going to
get up there and preach on "Adam eating a grape." I mean, some of
you guys who are called to preach, the first pastorate you get,
for goodness' sake, don't go in there and talk about people being
saved by works in the Millennium and works and faith in the
Tribulation, and faith in this age. They'll think you're Garner
Ted Armstrong, or something.

     Good doctrine is not always good preaching. And good
preaching is not always good doctrine. Now, do you notice
tonight, I had Lazarus up there in heaven? Did you notice that?
He didn't go to heaven! He went down in the ground to Abraham's
bosom. I had him up there in a cloud, see? See, what's good
preaching isn't always good doctrine, see? That's good preaching.
He was saved, right? O.K., so it's preached. But it isn't good
doctrine.

     All right, Revelation chapter 22, verse 15: "For without are
dogs." That's a funny thing to say! You know he's talking about
people, but he says animals. "Dogs, and sorcerers, and
whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth
and maketh a lie."

     All right, again, in chapter 21, on the final state of the
wicked, Revelation 21:8: "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and
the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers,
and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake
which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second
death."

     Now, the problem comes up, what kind of condition are these
people in when they get there? Christ speaks about a soul being
"destroyed"; look at Mark chapter 9. Christ said one time to
"fear him who is able to destroy both body and soul in hell."
Mark 9:43: "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better
for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go
into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where
their worm dieth not." Now look at it carefully: "THEIR worm."
Didn't say "the", like you hear it quoted. It said "THEIR."
"Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if
thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter
halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into
the fire that never shall be quenched: Where THEIR worm dieth
not." Verse 48: "Where THEIR worm dieth not, and the fire is not
quenched."

     All right, let's go to Matthew chapter 10, and in Matthew
chapter 10, verse 28: "And fear not them which kill the body, but
are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is..."
watch it carefully! "...able to destroy both soul and body in
hell."

     Evidently the soul can be destroyed.

     What is a soul?

     Let's turn to Revelation chapter 6 and see what a soul is.
Revelation chapter 6. Now, Socrates, Aritotle, and Plato, and
Louis Sperry Chafer and all the other people who don't like the
King James Bible have funny ideas about a soul. And they think
that your body is like this, and then somewhere in your body is a
peanut, or a golf ball, or a croquet ball stuck away in you
someplace--there's a soul--and then--POP!--comes out your mouth
and--POP!--out your ear when you die, and animals don't have it,
and you do. But in the Bible a soul is never spoken of in that
fashion. In the Bible, a soul always has a bodily shape with
fingers, nose, eyes, ears, lips, teeth, tongue, jaw. The rich man
in hell said, "Send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his
finger in water and cool my" what? A soul has a tongue! A soul is
a bodily shape.

     All right, Revelation chapter 6, verse 9: "And when he had
opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them
that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which
they held. And they cried with a loud voice..." A soul has a
mouth. "Saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not
judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And
white robes were given unto every one of them..." A soul can wear
clothes!

     A soul, then, is a bodily shape. Now, I have inside this
body here another body. Inside this body here, I have a body
shaped just like this one. "What shall it profit a man if he gain
the whole world and lose his own soul?"

     Christ said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father."
Then He turned right around and said, "No man hath seen the
Father at any time." And I'll tell you, the JWs have been
cracking their skull on that ever since. And they figure that the
Father's up there, and He's down here, so He's one God, and
Christ is another god, a lesser god, and all that nonsense.

     And the Holiness "Oneness" people broke their neck on the
other side. They said there couldn't be two of them; there is
just one of them, so it's Jesus only.

     And both those things are heresies!

     Now, I say to you, I say, "He that has seen me has seen Pete
Ruckman." But I turn right around and I say, "No man has seen
Pete Ruckman at any time." Now, what do I mean?

     I mean, you've never seen me a day in your life! There isn't
anyone in this building who has ever seen me. You have never seen
me!

     You say, "I'm looking at you right now!"

     No, you're not! You're looking at my body!

     Amen?

     I'm not in my body. I'm inside my body, looking out at you.

     And that's why, when you want to see what a person's like,
you look at their eyes, because the soul is back there. The only
time you see what's in a man is when you look in his eyes. If you
look in his ears, you'll see, you know, outer canal and inner
canal, you know, Eustacian tube, all that. Through the nose,
sinuses, you know, mucus--tonsils, you know.

     But you look in the eye, and the eye is the window of a
soul, and the shape is there looking out at you through that
window. Now, if I get this hand cut off, and get it amputated, a
couple of years after that I'll feel my fingers itching, you
know--I'll reach down to scratch my fingers. They won't be there.
The doctors will say, "Well, it's the nerve endings."

     No, it's not! No, it's not.

     Now, they're just beginning to take pictures, you know,
infrared, and ultra-so forth, now, and seeing that "aura" around
the body. But what fool didn't know about that who had a King
James Bible? I mean, give science time, and they always catch up
with the King James Bible eventually! I mean, three hundred
years, some time, six hundred years--give them time, they'll
catch up.

     So, then, I have in here a body like this. Now, when I die,
this body will step out. That body steps out, and the force of
gravity will take it right down in hell--unless I have in me a
Force that will defy the law of gravity.

     And the Bible says, "If the Spirit that raised up Jesus from
the dead dwell in your mortal body, God shall quicken your mortal
body by His Spirit that dwelleth in you." So, if the Holy Spirit
is in you, when you step out you go up instead of down.

     So, I'm all right in my picture. I'm all right in my
picture. All right, so that soul's in there. Now, Christ said
that soul can be destroyed. He never says annihilate. The word
"destroy" in the Bible never means annihilate. As a matter of
fact, the word "annihilation" is kind of a doggerel word. There
isn't any such word. The first law of thermodynamics teaches that
you can neither create nor destroy energy. You have less to work
with--the second law of thermodynamics. You can convert energy
into matter, and convert matter into energy. But you can't
eliminate anything! What's here to work with is here. And you can
change it or convert it, but it's still there.

     When we say, we mean in a human sense. We mean in a sense of
getting it out of sight where you can't see it. But that doesn't
do away with it.

     So, something happens to that soul. Now, what happens to
that soul? It goes into the lake of fire. But we haven't got it
all yet. Turn to Isaiah chapter 66. When it goes into the lake of
fire, evidently it's in a different condition than when it stood
before the White Throne Judgment and was judged. Isaiah 66, verse
22: "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make,
shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and
your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new
moon to another..." There's works. "...from one sabbath to
another..." There's some works. "...shall all flesh come to
worship before me, saith the Lord. And they shall go forth, and
look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against
me..." There's the body. "For their worm shall not die, neither
shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto
all flesh."

     Something terrible! Something terrible!

     Now he keeps saying "worm." He keeps saying "worm."

     Let's turn to Psalm 22, and get Psalm 22 in one hand, and
then we'll get John chapter 3 in the other. Now, Darwin had a
very peculiar theory. Darwin thought that man began as a little
ol' one-celled amoeba, you know, paramecium, plenaria, hydra, you
know, all that jazz--and then came up through some form of
reptile, and then got up on his feet, an opossum, and lemur, and
swung around in the trees for awhile, and got his tail cut off
with an axe, and then began to walk around on two feet. And
Darwin thought the fellow began down here and came up.

     Somebody said to Darwin one time, "What's this ear lobe
for?"

     And Darwin said, "Well, once you were an ape; you had big
ol' ears hanging down like that. And that's what you call a
vestigial organ. That's a remnant of what you used to be when you
were an animal."

     And then somebody said, "What's your appendix?"

     "Well, the appendix is useless. That's a vestigial organ;
it's left over. When you were an animal, you used that thing; but
you don't need it any more. That little ol' tail bone down there,
at the end of your spinal column, the coccyx, that's a remnant of
your tail; you used to be a monkey and swung around by it. But
it's left over."

     So Darwin said, "Here's the deal. You've got those animal
marks on you, because you used to be an animal, and you're coming
up."

     Now, wouldn't it be a thought if you had those animal marks
on you because you were like the Lord and you're going down? Now
wouldn't that be a thought?

     That's something to think about it, isn't it?

     All right, Psalm 22, verse 1: "My God, my God, why hast thou
forsaken me?" What's that a picture of there? Psalm 22:1; that's
the crucifixion; that's Christ on the cross.

     Verse 6: "But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men,
and despised of the people." It's Christ on the cross.

     Look at verse 17; didn't break His bones. Look at verse 18;
shooting dice for His garments. Look at verse 14; He's thirsty.
Look at verse 16; holes in His hands and feet. Verse 6: "I am a
worm."

     Let's turn to John 3; it's more than a worm. It's a very
definite kind of worm. Verse 14: "And as Moses lifted up the
serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted
up." Christ dying on the cross likens Himself to a snake--like
this. He calls it a worm. That worm's a red maggot. The serpent
in the Bible is red. Turn to Revelation chapter 12. He's red. The
Bible says when Christ appears, we're going to be like Him,
right? What do you reckon unsaved people are going to be like in
the resurrection? "Ye are of your father; the lusts of your
father you will do." Revelation chapter 12, verse 3: "And there
appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red
dragon." Verse 9: "And the great dragon was cast out, that old
serpent." So when Christ dies on the cross He likens Himself to a
serpent, and that serpent is a type of the devil--a red,
reptilian, amphibian, serpentine animal.

     Let's go to 2 Corinthians, and get 2 Corinthians chapter 5,
verse 21. Now, I don't understand all that I'm about to say. And
I've got to be careful; the Bible says, "No man speaking by the
Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed." But the Bible says He was.
Galatians chapter 3:13 says, "Christ hath redeemed us from the
curse of the law, being made a curse for us, for it is written,
Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree." And when Jesus Christ
hung on Calvary's cross--in some way I don't understand, and in
some way I can't explain--He became sin. He became the
personification of sin.

     The personification of sin is the devil!

     Now, I'm not going to say that Jesus Christ turned into the
devil. You can't go that far. But, boy, the Scripture sure
carries you a ways!

     Look at 2 Corinthians 5:21: "For he [God] hath made him
[Jesus] to be sin for us." See that thing? "Hath made
him...sin..." S-I-N "...for us, who knew no sin; that we might be
made the righteousness of God in him."

     So when Christ dies on the cross and experiences the wrath
of God, there is some transformation that takes place in his
soul. Let's turn to Matthew chapter 26. Nothing sheds light on
the English like the English. Matthew 26, verse 38; the soul is a
bodily shape--but something went wrong at Calvary. Matthew 26:38:
"Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even
unto death." Destruction of the soul!

     Let's try Isaiah 53. We never use the original Greek or
original Hebrew; they cover up the truth, so you couldn't find
the truth. The best thing to do is get the truth. Isaiah 53:10:
"Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to
grief." Watch it: "When thou shalt make his soul an offering for
sin." Verse 12: "Therefore will I divide him a portion with the
great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong..." watch
it! "...because he hath poured out his soul unto death."

     Now, when you get all that together, here's what you've got.
You've got Christ hanging up there like this, and He's got His
spirit in Him--that's just wind, air. He has a bodily shape in
Him--the Son of man. He has a bodily shape in Him like a man. And
He offers that soul as an offering for your sins, and God turns
Him into sin. He becomes a personification of Satan, and says,
"I'm a serpent; I'm a worm." And that bodily shape in there looks
like that--like a snake.

     And so, on this day, the symbol for the medical corps is a
little ol' pole, with snakes wrapped right around it. That god is
called Aescapulus, the god of healing. And that's what the U.F.O.
occupants had on their uniforms in Pascagoula, Mississippi--which
is interesting.

     All right, the Lord hangs up here like this, and this soul
is in here like this, and this soul becomes the personification
of Satan. And that would indicate--and I don't say it for sure--
it would indicate that, when an unsaved man goes to hell at the
White Throne Judgment, that, instead of becoming a god, he goes
back to an animal shape--and winds up like an animal, like a red
maggot.

     He winds up with a shape like a red maggot.

     Turn to Revelation 9. Get Revelation 9 in one hand and
Isaiah 34 in the other. The strangest Book in the world,
brethren, is the Bible! The Bible is still the strangest Book
you've ever read. It's the best seller and the least read and the
least known. Revelation chapter 9. Now, I'm showing this to show
you something. I'm showing this to show you that if you think I'm
kind of wild for teaching you that a bodily form can degenerate
into a beast form, I'm going to show you some people that are
half beasts!

     Revelation 9. This passage was used by Charlie Manson before
he killed Sharon Tate, right down where I'm going. Revelation 9,
verse 3: "And there came out of the smoke locusts." That's an
animal. Verse 7: "And the shapes of the locusts were like unto
horses." That's an animal. "Their faces were as the faces of men.
And they had hair..." like Charlie Manson! They had hair like
women.

     So, when a man has a woman's hair, it's a picture of a demon
that comes out of the bottomless pit. That's the picture. Face
like a man, hair like a woman--in the King James 1611 Authorized
Version--which is ahead of any scholar, anytime, anyplace,
anywhere.

     Verse 10: "Tails like unto scorpions." Isn't that a wild
looking thing? Verse 8--teeth like lions.

     It's a monster!

     Now these things that get out of U.F.O.s are funny-looking.
You say, "You believe this stuff?" Well, I believe half of it.
Some of them say the arms are too long. They're five feet or
four-feet-six. Some say they're gray, with a horn on top. One
says no nose. One says no eyes. One says scales. They're not
uniform.

     Whatever those things are, they're not human, and they're
not superhuman. They're mongrels. They're mixed--whatever those
things are, if they're there.

     If they're there, they're from some kind of a combination
that isn't strictly human. Now, in your Bible, you read about
things under your feet. And these things under your feet, that
come up in the Tribulation, are a combination of human and beast.
That's Bible; that isn't a U.F.O. sighting or a comic magazine--
that's Revelation 9.

     So, you know one thing. You know that there are things down
under your feet, and they're half-human and half-monster. And
they are not from outer space. And they are not from other
planets.

     So, if they're coming up ahead of time, they're not coming
down from Jupiter, from Venus, and from Mars. They're coming up
through the Bermuda Triangle--or some other place. Now, I said
IF. I said IF, you know.

     Isaiah 34, verse 6; there's no Book like this one! Isaiah
34:6, Second Advent: "The sword of the Lord is filled with blood,
it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and
goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a
sacrifice in Bozrah--" that's south of the Dead Sea. "And a great
slaughter in the land of Idumea." That's Edom. "And the unicorns-
-" A unicorn is a horse with one horn in the middle of his head.
Did you ever see one of them really? I wonder if there is any
such animal! 

     The new "bibles" don't say "unicorns." They've all changed
the word "unicorn" because none of the translators in the new
bibles, including the Lockman Foundation, or any book recommended
by Bob Jones University, believe there is a unicorn. So, their
unbelief makes them change the text and then get mad at you for
believing the text.

     I don't know why there couldn't have been a horse with one
spike in the middle of his forehead. Did you ever see a picture
of Brontosaurus or Stegasaurus or Triceritops or Terradactyl? You
talk about some weird looking animals! I know how you believe an
animal had three horns on his head, with a potato grater across
his back--and can't believe in a horse with one horn! I mean, if
there were monsters back there like Darwin said, you just as well
have had a horse with one horn as three.

     All right, verse 7: "And the unicorns shall come down with
them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be
soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness." Watch
it: "For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance." Second Advent!
"And the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion." Second
Advent! "And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch."
HELL! "And the dust thereof into brimstone." HELL! "And the land
thereof shall become burning pitch."

     "It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof
shall go up for ever." That's a picture of hell!

     But who's in hell?? Verse 11: "But the cormorant and the
bittern...the owl..." What??

     Verse 13: "...dragons...." Verse 14: "...satyr..." half goat
and half man. "...screech owl...." What are storks and owls doing
in hell--and ravens? What are they doing in hell? Are there
blackbirds flying around the lake of fire?

     In Revelation chapter 17, birds are types of unclean
spirits. In Matthew chapter 13, birds are types of unclean
spirits. In Ecclesiastes chapter 10, "That which hath wings shall
tell of the matter." Demons are small, and they're winged. So,
you can take Unger's Demonology and throw it out. Demons are
winged things, whatever they are. They're small enough for a guy
to have a thousand in him--Mark chapter 5.

     Nothing like a Bible, is there?

     I'm going to get this stuff together now. Now let's see what
I've given you. I've given you verses to prove there's such a
thing as people who are not real people, who are half monster.
I've given you a verse to prove that animals can be in hell--of
some kind. I've given you a verse to prove that the soul, when
destroyed, is like a serpent or like a snake or like a worm. And
from that I would gather this.

     Now, you noticed I didn't preach that tonight when I
preached on hell. When I drew those fellows in hell, I drew their
arms and faces. And that's probably the way they look now. But
when they go from hell into the lake of fire, they probably don't
look like that.

     So you see, brethren, I don't preach as doctrine what I'm
not sure of. But I know what the Bible suggests. And here's what
it suggests. It suggests that when you stand up there and face
that White Throne Judgment and face that record, and the Lord
says, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire prepared
for the devil and his angels," and you whip off to the limits of
the universe and fall a couple of hundred billion light years
down that lake of fire, and, as you go, this ol' arm cements into
here, and this ol' arm cements into there, and these legs cement
into here, and those legs stretch out, and those eyes go closed,
and those ears stop, and that mouth can't eat any more.

     And what you've got out in eternity, it implies, out in
eternity what you have is just a great, big, seething mass of
maggots crawling all over each other. "An abhorring to all
flesh." Body against body. The end of all flesh.

     You can't see; you can't hear; you can't eat.

     You're destroyed.

     The Bible says, "God so loved the world, he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not" what?
WHAT?

     PERISH!

     That's some word! You know that?

     You know what Christ said? Christ said, "What shall it
profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his" what? His
SOUL! HIS SOUL! It has a shape to it!

     Now that's what that stuff implies. I don't teach that,
because it's a deep thing and a heavy thing, and there's not
enough Scripture on it to get it all together. But, boy, I'll
tell you, the implication is there!

     Now, if you ever doubt it, don't you forget that your first
seed was born of corruptible seed. Right? You know what the male
seed looks like? Did you ever see Spermatozoa under a microscope?
Well, why would you think you'd wind up any different?

     All right, you can think on that tonight.

     You've got enough to think about. And, I'll tell you
something else. You've got enough to think about in regard to
some of your lost neighbors.

     All right, Lord bless you, and good night.

